Former Head of Shin Bet: Ami Ayalon on Israel vs Palestine - Jung & Naiv: Episode 839

Support our work ► http://www.paypal.me/JungNaiv Our guest is Ami Ayalon. He is a former commander of the Israeli Navy, former director of the Shin Bet (Israel's domestic intelligence service), and a former Labor Party member of the Knesset. Born in 1945, Ayalon became one of Israel’s most prominent security figures and later one of the most outspoken voices from within the Israeli security establishment arguing for a political solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. After leaving the Shin Bet, he co-initiated a joint Israeli-Palestinian peace proposal with Palestinian intellectual Sari Nusseibeh and has continued to speak publicly about occupation, security, democracy and the future of Israel. In this episode, Ami talks about his years in the military and intelligence services, the logic and moral cost of war, the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory, the war in Gaza, and why he believes Israel has failed to recognize its own victory. He discusses the failures of Israeli leadership, the need to understand one’s enemy, and why he argues that Israel’s long-term security depends on Palestinian freedom and a political horizon for both peoples. Please support our independent journalism: Bank account: Jung & Naiv (oder "Jung und Naiv" oder "Jung + Naiv") IBAN: DE854 3060 967 104 779 2900 GLS Gemeinschaftsbank or via PayPal ► http://www.paypal.me/JungNaiv #Israel #Palestine #MiddleEast 00:00 Teaser 01:44 Who is Ami Ayalon? 03:18 Rabin’s assassination and the path to Shin Bet 05:22 Navy vs. Shin Bet: black-and-white thinking and grey zones 08:47 Why Ayalon thinks politics is built wrong 12:20 Responsibility instead of blame 15:16 Kibbutz, family and duty after 1967 20:03 Naval Commando, war experience and lost friends 23:00 “The longest war in modern history” 25:18 Why Ayalon says Israel won the war in 2002 28:52 Zionism, settlements and security 33:30 The Holocaust, biblical places and the difficulty of partition 36:50 Israeli mistrust and the belief in military power 39:58 Gaza, Lebanon and the refusal to end wars 44:39 Is Gaza a genocide? Ayalon’s answer 50:06 Netanyahu, power and “Hamas as an asset” 55:27 Palestinian citizens of Israel and lost trust in democracy 60:00 The courts, protest and civil disobedience 65:34 Shin Bet loyalty: democracy or the prime minister? 69:45 Understanding the enemy: interrogation, fear and humanity 71:13 Israeli security only with Palestinian hope 75:10 Iran, Sun Tzu and failing to understand the enemy 80:01 Ayalon’s message to German politicians 85:00 Europe’s role and the Arab Peace Initiative

Teile der propalästinensischen Linken haben ein Ziel, das sie mit der extremen Rechten verbindet: Das Holocaustgedenken soll aus dem kollektiven Bewusstsein verschwinden.

As extremists and activists alike project their fantasies onto Palestine, Palestinians themselves are sidelined—spoken for, misunderstood, and forced to answer for violence they did not choose.

Derzeit gehen immer wieder Meldungen zu erschossenen Hilfesuchenden im Gazastreifen durch die Medien und Social Media. Und ich bekomme trotz vieler Erklärungen immer…

Michael hat mich heute Morgen per Mail gefragt: „Diese Woche war ein Vorfall mit Siedlern im Westjordanland, der mich erstmalig am israelischen Vorgehen wirklich hat…

Was sollen die begrifflichen Haarspaltereien in Anbetracht des fürchterlichen Leids der Bevölkerung Gazas? Warum es doch nicht zynisch ist, Akte der Gewalt klar zu definieren

Über 100 in Deutschland beheimatete jüdische Künstler:innen, Schrift­stel­le­r:in­nen und Wis­sen­schaft­le­r:in­nen unterzeichnen diesen offenen Brief. Sie appellieren für Frieden und Meinungsfreiheit.

What frightens us is the prevailing atmosphere of racism and xenophobia in Germany, hand in hand with a constraining and paternalistic philo-Semitism. We reject in particular the conflation of anti-Semitism and any criticism of the state of Israel.

Attached: 1 image Did Zionists collaborate with Nazis? Yes, they did. In one example, the Haavara Agreement between Nazi Germany and German Zionists (1933), made possible the migration of 60,000 German Jews to Palestine between 1933 and 1939 and to bring with them a portion of their assets. Widespread persecution of the Jews had already begun in Germany by 1933. The mass migration was considered part of the ethnic cleansing the Nazis initiated against the Jews, but it also benefited the Yishuv (Jewish community under the British Mandatory Palestine) by bringing in needed immigrant labor and economic support, and increasing the numbers of Jews living there. It also saved the lives of thousands of Jews who would have likely been slaughtered in the concentration camps. Then there was Rudolph Vrba, who escaped from Auschwitz in 1944, along with Alfred Wetzler, and tried to warn the Hungarian Jewry of the Nazis’ plans to exterminate the last major surviving Jewish community in Europe. The Vrba-Wetzler Report (the VWR) that they wrote immediately after their escape revealed for the first time to the general public that Auschwitz was not, as was widely believed, simply a concentration and labor camp, but a death camp. The VWR was also so accurately detailed that it could be used to help liberate the camp. However, Vrba and Wetlzer were betrayed by European leaders of the Zionist movement, who silenced them and suppressed the report, putting at risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews in exchange for the hope of getting Nazi support for the continued transfer of Zionists to Palestine. In 1961, The Daily Herald published the following from Vrba’s memoir: “I am a Jew. In spite of that, indeed because of that, I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war. This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence … I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks’ notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers … Kasztner [leader of Hungary’s Zionist movement] went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’” #nazis #antisemitism #holocaust #zionism #palestine #israel #genocide #concentrationcamps #ruldophvrba #eichmann #hungary #auschwitz #hitler

Over the last two decades, Western activists have only made things worse for my people.

Das Buch ist manipulativ

Mackelmore’s newest single “Hind’s Hall” is inspired by the pro-Palestinian activism seen at campuses around the world.

Growing up I was fed one sided propaganda. If we want to live out our values we have to seek the truth.

Ein Essay von Avner Ofrath.

Israeli settler colonialism cannot be justified or tolerated, regardless of whatever historical claims are made. Boiling the history of Palestine down into a refutation of modern ethno-nationalist claims does a disservice to our real and multifaceted history.

And vice versa.

Ist das Massaker der Hamas ein Zivilisationsbruch? Während darüber gestritten wurde, wird Israel unproblematisch Genozid vorgeworfen. Der Schwierigkeit, die richtigen Begriffe zu finden, wird das kaum gerecht.

Das jüdisch-palästinensische Duo Shai Hoffmann und Jouanna Hassoun will an Schulen über die Gewalt in Nahost sprechen. Wie kann das gelingen?

Die Narrative über Israel oder die Palästinenser sind oft absolut. Es gibt keinen Kontext. Es muss aber möglich sein, darüber hinaus anzuerkennen, was war und was ist.

In the aftermath of Hamas’ attack on Israel, one message about the power of propaganda blew up among Instagram’s biggest celebrities. Here’s what its author was trying to say.

Als die Hamas Israel attackierte, wurden in Berlin-Neukölln Süßigkeiten verteilt. In dem Bezirk kommt im Kleinen zusammen, was auf der Weltbühne geschieht

Mit dem Angriff der Hamas wurde Dekolonisierung zu einem umstrittenen Begriff, aber hilft er, den neuen Krieg zu verstehen?

We reject antisemitism in all its forms, including when it masquerades as criticism of Zionism or Israel’s policies. We also recognize that, as journalist Peter Beinart wrote in 2019, “Anti-Zionism is not inherently antisemitic—and claiming it is uses Jewish suffering to erase Palestinian experience.”

Die Deutsche Psychoanalytische Gesellschaft verurteilt den terroristischen Angriff der Hamas auf die Zivilbevölkerung von Israel. Hunderte israelischer Zivilisten und ausländische …

Islamwissenschaftler Reinhard Schulze über die Herkunft, Ideologie und Geschichte der Hamas – und warum Israel ihren Aufbau unterstützte.

Islamwissenschaftler Reinhard Schulze über die Herkunft, Ideologie und Geschichte der Hamas – und warum Israel ihren Aufbau unterstützte.

Looking deeper at the Israel-Hamas war and what we're all actually fighting for.

Der Israeli Shabat und der Palästinenser Ibrahim sprechen an Schulen über Nahostkonflikt und Holocaust. Ein Gespräch über Vorurteile – nicht nur bei Schülern.